Decibel Minutes November 28, 2001 Aurora City Hall
Attendees:
Nick Kaiser
Anita Barbey
Jack Kahle
Jake Jacobs
Daren Griffin
Bruce Bennett
Missing: Mike Byrnes, Paul Brown, Bob Miles, Sue Engels.
Location. Aurora City Hall
Meeting called to order by Nick Kaiser at 7:00pm.
The committee had requested that the noise model results be available
for review at this meeting. HMMH did not have the model completed.
Daren brought an aerial view of the Aurora Airport and surrounding
area, expanded several miles to the north and south to better display the
airport environment that might be affected by noise. The map will be
used for an overlay of the noise model when it is completed to show the relationship
of neighborhoods to the patterns and noise impact.
HMMH had requested that the committee review assumptions which they are
making as inputs to the noise model. Daren passed out copies of this
document and it was reviewed by the committee. Attached to the
document was an aerial view with the departures and arrivals overlaid,
giving a better idea of traffic over populated areas, however it was in
black and white and difficult to analyze. We are expecting a color
version to be provided which can be put onto the website.
HMMH is proposing a workshop in January to discuss the noise model and
the results with the committee, then to conclude the study in
February. Nick requested that we get the model results sooner,
ideally by December 19th for the committee review at the next
meeting. The committee agreed that we must have the data before the
workshop is held.
On December 19th, the agenda will include reviewing the model, and
generating questions and additional information to understand the model
prior to the January workshop.
The assumptions in HMMH "Modeling Parameters and Assumptions"
were discussed. The committee agreed that more Columbia Helicopter
information be included. They challenged the number of GA helicopter
operations as 60 per year seemed low. The number of Twin operation in
winter seemed low and was proposed to be increased. Operational differences
on weekends versus weekdays were discussed. For example, less
corporate traffic on weekends, more training. The percent of touch
and goes was listed as 7% - 23% of total operations. The committee
asked for clarification from HMMH.
Daren made a list of the specific clarifications and changes requested
as documented in the email exchanges below. HMMH responses are
included.
Email
from Daren to the Decibel Committee Friday, November 30, 2001
10:58 AM
To the Decibel Committee. Response
from HMMH included
Greetings everyone,
Below is a response from HMMH regarding the questions that were
raised at
our meeting Wednesday night. I think they adequately answered our
questions
with number one being the exception. Technically, the Columbia
Helicopter
facility is not on the airport. They do have a maintenance hangar
on the
airport, but that is all. I think we can get operational data from
Columbia
if we request it, however, we need to understand that the results
of this
study will not impact how Columbia flies into and out of their
facility.
Aside from the helicopters flying between their facility and the
maintenance
hangar. And that activity does not likely create noise impacts
beyond the
airport.
I would like further input from DECIBEL on the need to include
Columbia
Helicopter off-airport activity in this study. Additionally, HMMH
explained
how they reached their assumptions and advised us to make any
changes now. I
think the group mainly wanted further clarification on how the
assumptions
were reached and an acknowledgement that a three-day snapshot of
activity
isn't necessarily a totally accurate depiction of traffic levels.
I think
HMMH understands that, and has put together the most accurate
estimate that
they can.
Aside from the Columbia Helicopter issue, I would like to advise
HMMH to
proceed with the modeling unless there are any objections from
DECIBEL.
Please respond to me on the Columbia Helicopter issue by the close
of
business on Monday so I can advise HMMH.
Thanks,
Daren
-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene M. Reindel [mailto:ereindel@hmmh.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:32 AM
To: GRIFFIN Daren A
Subject: RE: modeling
Daren,
Thanks for the response. The measurement report is likely to
be to you
early next week. The report will summarize both measurement
periods. I
think you and DECIBEL will get a lot of valuable information from
it. As
far as the modeling and the modeling process, we will likely begin
modeling
as soon as the three comments are addressed and you are satisfied
with our
response. When we deliver the results of the modeling
effort, we will
include what information went into the model, the model validation
(comparing measured levels - single event and cumulative), and
explaining
the results. I hope that will satisfy your needs. We
will also explain
what the model is and what it does.
Now to address the comments:
1. I understood (perhaps incorrectly) that Columbia Helicopters
did not
operate at ASA and therefore were not to be considered as part of
the ASA
activity. I understood this from our earliest conversations
with you during
our first tour of ASA. If this is not the case, we can
certainly add
Columbia Helicopters into our modeling, but we will need more
information
from them in regards to their annual activities. Please
direct us ASAP, so
that we can determine what information we need from them and how
we are
going to get it.
2. We understand that we had only a snapshot of activity while we
observed
the observations. We also understand that we still only had
a snapshot of
activity during the weeklong measurements where we obtained
operation counts
from the on-airport noise monitors. This is why the surveys
went out. We
used all of the information obtained, including the Master Plan
update, to
derive these counts. This is our "best" estimate.
It is an estimate, which
is the reason for having you and DECIBEL review it. If you
believe we need
to make changes to our assumptions, now is the time to do it.
3. The 7% to 23% for touch and go operations was what was observed
during
our time there. It shows the high variability in the percent
of touch and
go activity on a daily basis, which goes back to your first
comment. Again,
we used more information than just our observations to derive the
final
numbers. Of the 92,100 operations, we are estimating 25% are
touch and go
operations. If our assumptions are wrong, then now is the
time to change
them. This will not affect the number of operations
(arrivals and
departures), it will only change how many go around the pattern
and stay in
the local area of ASA.
Our modeling work will produce cumulative noise exposure contours
and single
event noise contours overlaid on the aerial photo that the flight
tracks
were presented. Please give us feedback ASAP and let us know
if we are
directed to begin the modeling process. Eli and Bob are
anxiously awaiting
approval to begin the modeling process that will produce the
long-awaited
noise contours for years 2000, 2007, and 2017 (all unabated).
We are looking forward to hearing from you and proceeding with the
modeling
effort on this project.
Gene Reindel
-----Original Message-----
From: GRIFFIN Daren A [ mailto:Daren.A.Griffin@state.or.us
<mailto:Daren.A.Griffin@state.or.us>
]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:26 AM
To: Eugene M. Reindel
Subject: modeling
Good Morning Gene,
The DECIBEL meeting went fine. They liked the idea of a mitigation
workshop
with HMMH. However, they want a chance to look over the data
before getting
into that workshop.So we will be meeting in December. At that
meeting I need
to have the measurement results from the November monitoring.
Also, the
model and explanation of the modeling process. As much information
as you
can give me for that meeting would be great.
Then, DECIBEL can come up with their list of questions and you can
answer
them prior to our January workshop.
As far as the modeling assumptions go these were the comments:
1. There was general concern that Columbia Helicopter activity is
not being
taken into account. It appears all their activity was removed from
the
assumptions. Can you explain how their large helicopter activity
is being
accounted for?
2. There was a lot of discussion over the assumed operational
level.
Overall, your assumptions were accepted. However, there was
concern that the
three day observation periods wouldn't fully represent actual
activity
levels. Example being on the weekends there are increased touch
and go's but
less corporate/business jet activity because that occurs on
weekdays.
However, there is more overall traffic volume on the weekends
because more
private pilots are flying. Can you explain how the modeling
process takes
into account these factors?
3. On the bottom of page 3 Touch and Gos are indicated to be
7%-23% of
operations. It is unclear as to what that means. Can you clarify?
That was basically it for questions/concerns. The group expressed
a desire
to have some visual aids to be able to look at and see noise
impacts. Will
that be available as part of the model? Will you be using the
aerial
photographs?
Thanks.
Daren
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The meeting was adjourned at 8:00pm.
Email any corrections to jake@infoviva.com
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